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  • RonnyM82
  • Posted: 21 June 2011 12:38 AM
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I don’t know about everyone else but I have just about had enough of it. Creating marketing videos or blog posts to promote new features in new releases is all well and good as long as they are clear and not misleading. I have found the Hype surrounding the 2012 range of products, (which has likely been a result of the excitement caused by the new Suites) much greater than it has been in recent years.

Maybe this should be posted elsewhere, but Vault is a core product within this post.

There are 3 great examples, I will start with the most outrageous and each one gets less serious, but nevertheless still misleading:

Showcase 2012 youtube video posted by Autodesk

This video claims Design Reps are directly imported into Showcase from Inventor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TFtcAnu5Ec

Although true, the video & narrator emphasizes the use of sections in the Alternatives/Design Reps. The only part of a design rep that is imported is component visibility state, and NOT the Inventor model section views. The only way that scenario could have been created is if the ‘sectioned’ diff casing was a reference part in the assembly and had been ‘sectioned’ (extrude cut) in the parts itself. Then 2 design reps are created toggling the visibility between the original (non-reference) part and the ‘Sectioned’ reference part. The other pointed to the illusion in this video, is Showcase sections can’t be displayed when Ray Tracing is enabled. So the section shown isn’t a Showcase section, because (from memory, I haven’t checked so I’m not 100%) she demos the ray traced visual style at one point.

This really made my blood boil, because I spent hours trying to get the work flow this marketing video shows, to work. Only to eventually realise the Video was a fake!

Vault Revision History Tables:

This was one of the big new features for Vault 2012. Boy I got really excited about this one, and a lot was made of it too. Across blogs and what’s new features etc.. So as soon as a could I set about integrating its use into our process.

Days went by, many questions asked about why I couldn’t get it to work, still no answers. Eventually I find out through a vary helpful autodesk support employee, that the marketing literature isn’t accurate. Because it turns out the new Vault Revision history table ONLY SUPPORTS RELEASED FILES! was this made clear in any of the blog posts, youtube videos, help files or on the new autodesk Wiki? No! More Marketing smoke and mirrors which caused me lots of frustration and time thinking I was at fault not being able to get it to work.

Vault Job Processor permissions:

The next one highlights the responsibility Autodesk employees have when they are posting on their blogs. The awesome (and I mean that!) guys who contribute to the ‘Cracking the Vault’ blog posted this back in May. http://crackingthevault.typepad....-releasing-a-file.html

Boy did I get excited, finally Autodesk had seen the error in their ways, and had setup the job processor to override user state permissions to update views & sync properties etc. via the Job processor. This meant the same license being used on the machine by the draftsman could be used to run job processor, instead of an administrative one that consumes an extra license unnecessarily. First of all the last line of the blog post wasn’t entirely clear, but gave the impression this new behavior was supported from 2012 onwards.

Again more hours if not days were spent trying to get this to work. But no one could/would answer my questions as to why it wouldn’t work. Turns out its reproducible, it just flat out doesn’t work. I’m sure its unintentional, but I’m shocked that wasn’t thoroughly tested prior to release and especially before it was announced on the blog. But that in itself is a good point, if its a significant new feature (and it is, and one Autodesk should be proud of) then why isn’t it part of the what’s new literature? Why is it being announced on an Autodesk Blog?

Don’t get me wrong, I love all these youtube videos, and the Autodesk blogs. They provide a wealth of information, and shouldn’t stop! But there is a certain responsibility to be had here, people read and watch this stuff, and if its coming from Autodesk themselves it should be taken as gospel. I take what people like Rob Cohee says with a pinch of Salt, he is very obviously a marketing guy, I love what he does and enjoy his work, embellishing workflows is what he is meant to do to instill inspiration and drive creativity with Autodesk tools. However, it is not the job of the Autodesk youtube channel, the wiki, new features documentation or support blogs to do the same!

What’s worse, is more and more people out there will be watching and reading this stuff believing it to be true and may have to go through the same pain I have to find out the truth unless Autodesk do something about it and reign in their marketing techniques!



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Hi there,
To start off with - thanks a lot for your interest in Inventor to Showcase workflows. We are very excited to have made significant improvements to the interaction between our applications over the course of the last year.

There is no false information in the Showcase to Inventor video, but the video does not depict the entire workflow as you were hoping to see. The video is not meant as a tutorial, but intended to show what can be done with Showcase – some steps of the workflow are not shown or talked about.

What is shown in the video is possible, as you point out yourself. What you would have to do to get there is create Design View Representation in Inventor that show exactly the same things you see in the video. This may require you to add a part twice to your Inventor project and generate different appearances in separate design view representations, or to import the model in different states twice into Showcase – whichever you feel more comfortable with or deem more appropriate.

The sections in the video are achieved by cutting the object in Inventor and generating a design view representation. Each design view representation will be converted into a Showcase Slide, which itself will contain Showcase elements necessary to achieve the same state and appearance as in Inventor. The slide will contain a geometry alternative, a material alternative and a shot if appropriate.

You are correct with your observation that Inventor Section Views are not supported when bringing a model into Showcase.
You are also correct when mentioning that Showcase Cross Sections are not supported in the Ray Tracing Visual Style in Showcase.
However I could not see or hear any evidence in the video claiming that Inventor section views are supported or converted into Showcase cross sections – could you point us to the portion of the video that you think infers that?
What the video shows is switching between geometry and material alternatives derived from the Inventor file.
You will also notice that the alternatives in the video do not have a linked icon on them anymore, which indicates that they have been altered since the Inventor file was imported and are no longer directly associated with the original Inventor file. This also means that some more work was done to the file alternative to generate a better presentation. Those extra steps are not shown in the video.

What I think I am reading from your feedback though, is the need to also support section views. Is this a correct understanding?

I hope this clarifies the situation and we look forward to seeing a lot of great imagery from you generated in Showcase in the future.

Severin

Author: Severin Wille

Replied: 24 June 2011 09:09 AM